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This item is available in full to subscribers. That's how you found them, and that's what raised the question? During a meeting in a Las Vegas suburb last April of employees of Ms. Gores organization, the Wyoming Liberty Group, Mr. Seddon pitched a proposal to build a website where other so-called preppers could buy their own supplies and communicate with each other in the event of what he called a Black Swan moment a major terrorist attack, another pandemic or a civil war. While he has not been actively involved in Wyoming politics specifically, Prince comes from a political family he is the brother of U.S. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos and is an active political donor. I don't know. GOLDMAN: That's a good question. But I didn't reveal that I knew Beau and Sofia had lived at that house at the time because we were working - concurrently, we were working on this larger story about them. So O'Keefe's Instagram photo, you know, led people to realize that, you know, Prince had played a role, at least in letting Project Veritas use the ranch for training. Blackwater founder Erik Prince arranged for political activist James O'Keefe's conservative group Project Veritas to receive more than one round of "training in intelligence and elicitation. And so these people were brought on to help manage these many, many, many, many operations. DAVIES: It was a risk because she couldn't effectively work undercover if they'd been exposed by this organization that's critical of Veritas? Erik Prince conducts business around the globe, but in a pending lawsuit, he says he does the bulk of his work from Wyoming. This is FRESH AIR. Prince is separately under investigation by the Justice Department on unrelated matters, according to people familiar with the case. We rely on our journalists to be independent observers. And in the end, you know, O'Keefe would release them and, you know, make a big deal out of them. You know, I think part of Mr. O'Keefe's motto - I think it's important for him to have regular and consistent content - right? But it was not her real name. So there has been - the two have interacted, I think, even before Trump was president. And that was their logo. In a YouTube video, Mr. OKeefe described the lawsuit as frivolous and pointed to a portion of the deposition in which David Hecker, the president of AFT Michigan, said that one of the goals of the lawsuit was to stop Project Veritas from doing the kind of work that it does., Randi Weingarten, the president of the American Federation of Teachers, said in a statement: Lets be clear who the wrongdoer is here: Project Veritas used a fake intern to lie her way into our Michigan office, to steal documents and to spy and they got caught. The list included John Cox, then the director of the Wyoming Department of Workforce Services, and Scott Talbott, then the director of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. They used a code name LibertyU for their operative inside the organization, Marisa Jorge, who graduated from Liberty University in Virginia, one of the nations largest Christian colleges. Where we're not - what we hadn't really seen was an actual British spy, somebody trained in clandestine activities, launching a secret operation using undercovers with false - basically false cover stories to infiltrate political circles, gather information and collect it for whatever purpose, I guess, because ultimately, as our story says, this appeared to be a paper play. O'Keefe writes about it in his book. They targeted somebody from the Justice Department, and I wrote they also targeted FBI employees. And then I talked to somebody else. Richard Seddon, trained conservative operatives first at the Prince family ranch in Wyoming, then at a large, $10,000-a-month house near Georgetown University. DAVIES: Right - Erik Prince, the security contractor who we'll talk more about. And it was interesting to hear some of these Wyoming Republicans, you know, thank us for our reporting, you know, being The New York Times, because Trump has, you know, vilified us. Of course, everybody's familiar with Watergate, right? (Photo: Gerry Broome/AP) MIDDLEBURG, Va. A cheery fire warmed the glass-walled conservatory of the Goodstone Inn in Virginia's. GOLDMAN: Yeah, I would say an active - sure, an active player in certain parts of Trump's world, yeah, or conservative - the conservative world. Of course. I know that, you know, one of the first instances of his association with this - or maybe the first instance of his association - was in an Intercept article in which O'Keefe had posted a picture of himself firing a pistol with a silencer on Instagram. The New York Times published an article chronicling a Wapiti, Wyoming-based espianoge effort. So he's going to pop up in all sorts of different places. I think Trump pardoned at least one. And this is FRESH AIR. - were directed to make them or reimbursed for them, then that's a potential crime. McMaster was thwarting the president's agenda - right? In 2018, Ms. Jorge infiltrated the congressional campaign of Ms. Spanberger, posing as a campaign volunteer. WASHINGTON A British former spy recruited by Erik Prince, the security contractor close to the Trump administration, played a central role in a secretive effort to hire dozens . They make significant political contributions, right? They provide additional insight into the ambition of the operation to use undercover operatives to target Republicans seen as insufficiently conservative, as well as to, as one document describes it, research, penetrate and infiltrate the radical left networks.. I believe he was involved in an effort to battle pirates in Somalia. Drawing on information from three unnamed sources, The Intercept reported Prince met with a top official from Russias Wagner Group at an undisclosed location earlier this year and offered his mercenary forces to support the firms operations in Libya and Mozambique.. It seems like the Democrats have figured out this party switch deal to their advantage, Mr. Friess wrote in an email obtained by Wyofile, a political news site in Wyoming. contractor who is best known as the founder of the private military firm Blackwater and whose sister, Betsy DeVos, was Mr. Trump's education secretary has drawn. Mr. document.write ("&loc=" + escape(window.location)); Wagner which The Intercept described as a semi-private military force that operates in countries or conflicts where the Russian government seeks plausible deniability for its activities reportedly turned down Princes offer. As further evidence of his ties to Wyoming and the business he conducts in the state, Princes initial declaration said he owned several operating entities registered to his residence in Wapiti. We'll talk about Project Veritas in a moment. And we're speaking with New York Times reporter Adam Goldman. And it all kind of went south when the Post exposed it. The former Navy SEAL gained fame for the supporting role his Blackwater firm played in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the security contractor became infamous when its employees killed 14 Iraqi civilians and wounded 17 others in Baghdad in 2007. Mr. OKeefe earned about $387,000. Mr. But then January 6 happened, you know, the insurrection. He worked with the former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn during the presidential transition. And another individual named Barbara Ledeen, who worked for a prominent senator, his committee - Chuck Grassley - she admitted her involvement, and she had actually said she had met with a Project Veritas operative. DAVIES: Did any of these result in resignations, firings, criminal investigations GOLDMAN: You know, and in the end, the people who were involved, I think, were, you know, slightly humiliated. You know, O'Keefe has clearly raised a lot of money, you know, millions of dollars. This espionage operation was aimed at perceived enemies of Trump and included a planned sting operation against former national security adviser H.R. Blackwater founder Erik Prince used the rise of Donald Trump to stage an unlikely comeback that apparently included funding spy training for far-right propagandist James O'Keefe and his Project. And they stopped the - they would actually stop the operatives in a car. State records show Moyock Medical Supplies was formed in Wyoming by an associate of Princes on April 15 two days after The Intercept published its article. Erik Prince Helped Raise Money for Conservative Spy Venture, https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/us/politics/erik-prince-spy-operation-trump-democrats.html. At the time, Prince was exploring the possibility of mounting a Republican primary challenge to incumbent U.S. Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo. In fact, I wrote a memo about what I had found. What was this about? Erik Prince doesn't live in the state, he's from the same party as the incumbent, Sen. John Barrasso, and he's best known for founding a private security firm, Blackwater, that was kicked out of . Well, that and - by the way, at some point - I don't know the time period. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. The McMaster operation was aborted after he, unrelated to Project Veritas, resigned under pressure from Trump. Other outlets, however, have continued writing about the contractor. You know, there seemed to be - what it showed was, you know, Prince is well-traveled and is always looking for business opportunities. Prince, saying he lied about the circumstances of his meeting with a Russian banker in the Seychelles in January 2017. 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There was a meeting at lunch which led to a resignation, I believe, of GOLDMAN: They targeted our editor, Dean Baquet. And it would - you know, and make an enormous amount of money. [CDATA[ For his part, Prince swears he never met with anyone from Wagner Group a denial The Intercept included in its reporting. WASHINGTON Erik Prince, the security contractor with close ties to the Trump administration, has in recent years helped recruit former American and British spies for secretive. He was dismayed, three former Project Veritas employees told the Times, with "O'Keefe's desire to produce quick media content rather than to run long-term infiltration operations." Click here to see your options for becoming a subscriber. If you already have a web account, but need to reset it, you can do so by clicking here. And Beau eventually divorced his wife. Did it expand the number of people that they had? Prince and Mr. Seddon said the goal of the private spying operation was to gather dirt both on Democrats and RINOs slang in conservative circles for Republicans in name only. The plan was to begin in Wyoming, they said, and expand operations from there. He did not respond to follow-up phone messages or an email. (SOUNDBITE OF BRUNO COULAIS' "SPINK AND FORCIBLE"). DAVIES: Now, one of the more well-known operations - because, well, you reported on this - was an effort to embarrass Trump's national security adviser, H.R. And his supporters have vilified us. Erik Prince, a political novice and former Navy SEAL who made a fortune in contracting security services to the U.S. Military, said in an interview with Breitbart that he will announce in the coming weeks whether he will challenge Barrasso in the Republican primary. You know, they targeted the teachers unions. Prince have ties to President Trumps aides and family. Trump, of course, wanted to pull out. Anyone can read what you share. At the time, Ms. Spanberger was running to unseat a sitting Republican congressman in a race both parties considered important for control of the House. The training was done by a guy - a lot of the training was done by a guy named Richard Seddon, S-E-D-D-O-N. Who is he? GOLDMAN: These were videos - you can find them on Project Veritas', you know, website or on YouTube now. Mr. And so we're all familiar with that, I think, to some extent. But "one of the most brazen operations of the campaign" was an attempt to take down H.R. 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He was asked whether he had provided any of the groups secret recordings of Democracy Partners to the Republican National Committee or any member of the Trump family. "He is not registered in Park County or [Wyoming] presently, unless he is not going by Erik Dean Prince and has changed his name," Park County Elections Deputy Pat Cole said in a Sept. 17 email; he said Prince hadn't voted in Wyoming since 2000. At the center of the scheme was an unusual cast: a former British spy connected to the security contractor Erik Prince, a wealthy heiress to the Gore-Tex fortune and undercover operatives like. DAVIES: Wow. Mr. And they targeted a reporter, a Washington - a very good Washington Post reporter named Stephanie McCrummen, who - they picked up on it very, very, very quickly GOLDMAN: And figured out that this woman was not who she said she was. This is FRESH AIR. DAVIES: You know, the other thing that I wanted to just clarify to the extent I can is how much of a driving force Erik Prince was in this. And as part of this effort, Richard Seddon was brought on to handle training and really professionalize Project Veritas' undercover operations. GOLDMAN: Well, again, this is a little murky. Friday crash claims lives of Powell sisters, Powell resident now leads open lands organization, Authorities say they caught Cody man selling meth, Game and Fish plan set for aquatic invasive species threat, 128 South Bent StreetPowell, WY 82435 And they - you know, I think they - it seemed like they were seeking revenge. Do we know? DAVIES: Right. There were steps taken to advance this plan, but in the end, it didn't happen because McMaster was fired. You'd have to ask Mr. O'Keefe. So somebody was just waiting - and it turned out to be me and Mark - to come along and make the connection between the Sofia de LaRocca (ph) out in Wyoming and "Maria," quote, unquote, on the Project Veritas Exposed website. GOLDMAN: Yes, the Government Accountability Office. Two other employees, Gaz Thomas and Samuel Chamberlain, were also identified in emails and appeared to play important roles in the Michigan operation. Erik Prince, founder of private security contractor Blackwater and brother of former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, recruited a former British spy in 2016 to professionalize the undercover. And ultimately, it did blow up in their face. DAVIES: So an active player in the Trump world. And, you know, these were - they were not really long-term operations. Efforts to locate Mr. Thomas were unsuccessful. And Beau's mom is the ranch cook at the Erik Prince family's ranch near Cody, Wyo. Key figures in the operation are a former British spy named Richard Seddon and private security contractor Erik Prince, a staunch supporter of Donald Trump. Sofia makes a contribution - a small contribution to a woman she had befriended who ran, unsuccessfully, for the Wyoming state legislature. Blackwater Worldwide founder Erik Prince is considering a Republican primary challenge to Wyoming Senator John Barrasso, a senior member of the Senate GOP leadership team, in a race that could pit the party's establishment against insurgents inspired by allies of President Donald Trump. And GOLDMAN: Involving Roy Moore - exactly. However, in all of the 74 campaign donations hes made since 2002 including a $3,042.86 donation to the Wyoming Republican Party in 2016 Prince has been identified with a Virginia address. They broke into the DNC. Sofia is from Maryland. GOLDMAN: Well, I think it was - our latest story revealed, you know, at least one person who had been working for the Democrats thought that Sofia likely might have gotten some damaging information about Democratic efforts to help, you know, moderate Republicans. And Las Vegas was the - you could almost say it was the pinnacle, the apex of their operation. The Defense Department didn't go for it. //]]>-->. Presented with the details of the operation, Ledeen told the Times she was just a messenger, "not part of a plot.". But the effort is a glimpse of a vigorous private campaign to try to undermine political groups or individuals perceived to be in opposition to Mr. Trumps agenda. We rely on our journalists to be independent observers. Princes attorneys responded that, if the judge has any doubts about Wyoming being the appropriate venue for the case, they should be allowed to learn the identity of The Intercepts confidential sources. You know, we had - we talked to many, many people who worked there, and, you know, they described Seddon as wanting to do more long-term operations - right? And it's not clear to us if he was making any money off of this. This includes participating in marches or rallies in support of a movement or giving money to, or raising money for, any political candidate or election cause. What did they show? And then they married last week. Did it expand their operations? It's a conservative organization. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. DAVIES: Do we know of connections between Project Veritas and James O'Keefe and Trump, Donald Trump or the Trump family? Meanwhile, Prince is once again registered as a Park County voter. McMaster. contractor who is best known as the founder of the private military firm Blackwater and whose sister, Betsy DeVos, was Mr. Trumps education secretary has drawn scrutiny over the years for Blackwaters record of violence around the world and his subsequent ventures training and arming foreign forces. Even if it is true that Prince now genuinely considers himself a Wyoming resident, it cannot be said that [The Intercept] could fairly anticipate being [hauled] into court in Wyoming, the attorneys wrote in a September filing. And they received what was essentially clandestine training at a ranch in Wyoming that's owned by the family of Erik Prince. We are speaking with Adam Goldman. We're still trying to fully understand how Project Veritas, which is founded by James O'Keefe, actually came into contact with Erik Prince. That includes a pair of donations he made in March and October, in which he apparently listed his address as a post office box in Middleburg, Virginia. Mr. They - you know, there's a wide range of targets, and many of them have been exposed. Prince submitted his own declaration to presiding U.S. District Judge Alan Johnson in September, disputing The Intercepts reporting and laying out some of his bona fides as a Wyomingite. if (document.mmm_fo) document.write ("&mmm_fo=1"); GOLDMAN: I believe that O'Keefe has interacted with Trump. Between 1992 and 2001, Prince often listed Park County as his home, consistent with his voting records. Why did they want to embarrass him and get him out of the government? You know, he's a businessman. He recruited a British commando to help - this guy Gaz Thomas, who I guess had knew Seddon through his days at MI6. And they start trying to make inroads in the Wyoming Democratic Party. DAVIES: This is FRESH AIR, and our guest is Adam Goldman. GOLDMAN: Well, they - you know, they - Beau is from Cody, Wyo., so he had some Wyoming roots. 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